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jimmy
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« Reply #30 on: 04/09/10, 06:50 PM »

     Glad you're feeling good today, Chuck. On the checkout note, there was never any doubt who the test pilot would be after I rebuilt my basket case cub. A few hundred citabria hours didn't hurt, and helicopter time probably didn't help after short final but the cub taught me to fly with the stick and rudder.With my first fixed wing, a
7 ECA Citabria,I used to rely on the brakes to keep me running straight on landing from a crab approach, straighten out, flare and differential braking to stay straight. Sort of a trike technique.
   Well, cub brakes won't allow that technique; but a  Side slip approach, upwind wing down and opposite rudder and upwind wheel first sometimes.... now that's stick and rudder flying. I jumped a ditch once or twice before  I figured out how to fly the cub. I think my old man thought I was a better pilot than I was when he cut me loose. I've always been sort of a hands on experience guy; that philosophy does however have its caveats. Be prepared for repairs. Truly though, I think you and the experimental process is the best teacher.   jimmy
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« Reply #31 on: 07/22/10, 10:13 PM »

On January 31 2010 the rules changed in regard to experimental light sport aircraft being used to train primary students for hire.

Does someone know what airplanes fall into this category and cannot be using for trainer?

And where I can find this rule change?
 
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« Reply #32 on: 07/22/10, 10:49 PM »

On January 31 2010 the rules changed in regard to experimental light sport aircraft being used to train primary students for hire.
Does someone know what airplanes fall into this category and cannot be using for trainer?
And where I can find this rule change?
The rule didn't actually change. Aircraft that were "grandfathered" into light-sport were essentially given an extension of the old "2-seat ultralight training exemption." They were allowed to continue flight training operation until 1/31/2010, at which time their airworthiness certificate expired. These particular aircraft had to have their airworthiness certificate amended by that date to remain "flyable" but no longer for training for hire.

FARs do not allow experimental aircraft to be used for flight training for hire.
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« Reply #33 on: 08/04/10, 10:55 AM »

........ If I am right, this rule is not aimed at high time big iron pilots moving down to a J3.

My uncle retired from the Air Force with quite a few thousand hours piloting C-124 Globemasters, which were pretty good sized airplanes for their day.  One of the first things he did after retiring, was rent and groundloop a J3.
JimC

Moving from a heavier aircraft to a lighter certified or light sport aircraft can present challenges. Also any prudent pilot will always get a checkout (cockpit and flight) from a person knowledgeable and experienced in type. This applies to other transitions as well such as moving from  S1-26 or S2-33 to a high performance "glass" sailplane. I remember that my Pawnee checkout consisted of two hours of ground instruction and a stint in the aircraft with the tail up on a sawhorse to demonstrate the steep nose down attitude of the nose in level flight.

Sad but true story:
 Back in the mid eighties while I was flying the tow planes at Chilhowee Gliderport in Tn. Mike asked me to check out a new highly experienced pilot he was considering. We were using an L-19 and had retired the 7GCBC and PA-18. I had hundreds of hours and tows in the Bird Dog in all kinds of weather including those brisk winter days when the soaring on the mountain ridges was excellent but required takeoffs and landings with stiff crosswinds and burbles across the 2800 ft grass strip.

The pilot also had to remember he was dragging a 200 ft rope behind him and this complicates the approach. Mike always wanted us to land with rope attached with fast turn around as we always had gliders waiting to go. On light wind days we landed downwind and fast taxied tail up back to the gliders.

The prospective tow pilot was a retired Navy Carrier Pilot and commercial pilot who had well over 12,000 hours of flight time. He had logged a lot of tail wheel time but none in the L-19. He was a much more experienced pilot than I was and was pretty much an expert on flying in general.

The day of the checkout was a light wind day out of the NW at 5 to 10 and clear skies. We started with the customary full stall landings with all flap settings from zero to full 60 degrees. I then asked the "student" to demonstrate a series of partial and full flap wheel landings on left, right gear and then both mains. I cautioned the new pilot about the spring gear on the L-19 and it's propensity to ground loop during a bounced landing or when drift was present ( the L-19 can be vicious when drifted at touchdown). I also mentioned that application of flaps in crosswinds had to be managed carefully. I told him the same thing I was told "Don't turn your back on a Bird Dog till it is tied down".

To my surprise the guy refused to show me any wheel landings and gave me a 15 minute lecture that tail wheel aircraft should always be landed three point and never wheel landed and presented all of the same arguments we have all discussed and read before. He also went over all of his qualifications again and reminded me that he was a Navy pilot. I ended the checkout session and let Mike know that the prospect had not demonstrated any wheel landings. Mike needed a pilot, and also flew with him an hour or so and decided to let him tow.

Three weeks later the new guy severely ground looped the L-19, taking out the right gear and bending the prop. The plane was ground looped so hard that we found grass between the rim and tire. The day of the accident was a really great ridge day with stiff winds out of the west. People who saw the incident said he was attempting a three point landing with near full flaps, lost control, and added power too late and well into the ground loop.

The new guy ( flying expert) drove off never to be heard from again and we had no tow plane for many weeks.

    
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« Reply #34 on: 08/04/10, 11:38 AM »

He also went over all of his qualifications again and reminded me that he was a Navy pilot.

This statement in itself should have raised a red flag.  GUP
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« Reply #35 on: 08/04/10, 09:23 PM »

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin    RIGHT ON GUP!
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« Reply #36 on: 08/05/10, 02:45 AM »

Sort of the same topic:  I read the sport pilot restrictions as applying to holders of a sport pilot certificate.  Other very bright folks interpret the rules as applying the sport pilot restrictions - all of them - to private pilots who choose not to get a medical certificate.

I would not mind seeing a couple of other opinions.  Like, my Cub is legal at night, and with a medical certificate I too am legal at night.  Must I stop night flying and special VFR if I decide to skip my next medical?
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« Reply #37 on: 08/05/10, 09:00 AM »


I would not mind seeing a couple of other opinions.  Like, my Cub is legal at night, and with a medical certificate I too am legal at night.  Must I stop night flying and special VFR if I decide to skip my next medical?

Yep! Without a medical, you are flying as a "sport pilot". Therefore sport pilot rules apply.
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« Reply #38 on: 08/05/10, 12:49 PM »

He also went over all of his qualifications again and reminded me that he was a Navy pilot.

This statement in itself should have raised a red flag.  GUP
  I guess he needed a tailhook, but sorta turned tail and ran. Too bad, there could have been some good ribbing.     jimmy
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« Reply #39 on: 08/05/10, 11:09 PM »

FlaL4

Neither one of us was there. Maybe it was just dang bad luck that he tore the airplane up.

Of course it is possible that neither of you two have fully read the Ops. Manual for the L-19/O-1........

"i. Three point landings are required; hard landing or excessive ballooning is unsatisfactory."

"b. Flap setting will be appropriate to the situation."

    "Full flaps (60º) were built into the aircraft for the convenience of the pilot. They remain convenient only when used with discretion. Strong, gusty,   crosswinds call for reduced flap settings. Full flaps catch every little puff of wind, and also, to an extent, dampen the effectiveness of the tail controls"

.........from the Intermediate and Advanced Contact Flight Manual O-1, June 1970, United States Army Aviation School, Fort Rucker, Alabama/Fort Stewart, Georgia.

There are those who have, and those who will.

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